moving application list to Wikipedia?

classic Classic list List threaded Threaded
7 messages Options
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

moving application list to Wikipedia?

Lucas Gonze-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:XML_Shareable_Playlist_Format

I wonder if the community could comment on whether it would be
appropriate to move a page currently included on the xspf.org site to
here. http://xspf.org/applications/ is a list of software implementing
XSPF. This list has wiki nature and would be better maintained if it
were on wikipedia. But it is non-standard to have something like that
on wikipedia.
Comments appreciated.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Lucas Gonze <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Most awesome, Steven.  Very useful.
>
> I'll dig out the config info to modify the applications page.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Steven Elliott
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I've written a Java based CLI that converts from M3U to XSPF.  One
>> feature of it that may be interesting is the ability to specify the
>> utilities, such as "ogginfo" and "eyeD3", used to gather information
>> about each audio file listed in the M3U.
>>
>> I've created a web page for it:
>>  http://selliott.org/utilities/m3utoxspf
>> It's open source.
>>
>> If you think it's worthy of being added to the applications page that
>> would be great.
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> |  Steven Elliott  |  http://selliott.org  |  [hidden email]  |
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Playlist mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
>>
>

_______________________________________________
Playlist mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: moving application list to Wikipedia?

Sebastian Pipping
On 10/28/10 22:54, Lucas Gonze wrote:
> This list has wiki nature and would be better maintained if it
> were on wikipedia.

Do we want that application list to be moderated?
If yes, does a wiki still offer advantages?


> But it is non-standard to have something like that
> on wikipedia.

Right, and that's a problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not

Best,



Sebastian

_______________________________________________
Playlist mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: moving application list to Wikipedia?

Lucas Gonze-2
It seems to me that the utility of the applications list is (1) to see
how xspf is doing overall (that's where Silverjuke fits) and (2) to
find an app to meet a need (that's where M3UtoXSPF fits).  The second
case is where a more flexible and responsible method of maintenance
would come in handy.

Moderation comes with wikipedia for free, I think.  It takes work, but
it may be before if it's not just you and me doing it.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Sebastian Pipping
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 10/28/10 22:54, Lucas Gonze wrote:
>> This list has wiki nature and would be better maintained if it
>> were on wikipedia.
>
> Do we want that application list to be moderated?
> If yes, does a wiki still offer advantages?
>
>
>> But it is non-standard to have something like that
>> on wikipedia.
>
> Right, and that's a problem.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Sebastian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Playlist mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
>

_______________________________________________
Playlist mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: moving application list to Wikipedia?

Lucas Gonze
Pardon, I meant "responsive" and not "responsible."

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Lucas Gonze <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It seems to me that the utility of the applications list is (1) to see
> how xspf is doing overall (that's where Silverjuke fits) and (2) to
> find an app to meet a need (that's where M3UtoXSPF fits).  The second
> case is where a more flexible and responsible method of maintenance
> would come in handy.
>
> Moderation comes with wikipedia for free, I think.  It takes work, but
> it may be before if it's not just you and me doing it.
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Sebastian Pipping
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 10/28/10 22:54, Lucas Gonze wrote:
>>> This list has wiki nature and would be better maintained if it
>>> were on wikipedia.
>>
>> Do we want that application list to be moderated?
>> If yes, does a wiki still offer advantages?
>>
>>
>>> But it is non-standard to have something like that
>>> on wikipedia.
>>
>> Right, and that's a problem.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Playlist mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Playlist mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
>

_______________________________________________
Playlist mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: moving application list to Wikipedia?

Lucas Gonze-2
Forwarding offlist conversation w/ permission.




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert Kaye <[hidden email]>
Date: Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
To: Dan Brickley <[hidden email]>
Cc: Lucas Gonze <[hidden email]>



On Oct 28, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Dan Brickley wrote:
>
> I think it's essentially a single page, just a list of applications.

Ah. I'm sure we can deal with that.

>
> Tiny community wikis end up at risk from spammers. How is the MB wiki
> holding up on that front?

Good. Humans tend to have a bit of a problem with it. :) When a human
goes to edit the wiki we tell them the username/password in the login
dialog. You'd be surprised how many people can not read the simple
dialog. :(

--

--ruaok        The answer to whether or not something is a good idea
should not be taken as an indication of whether I want to do it.

Robert Kaye     --     [hidden email]     --    http://mayhem-chaos.net






On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Lucas Gonze <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Pardon, I meant "responsive" and not "responsible."
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Lucas Gonze <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> It seems to me that the utility of the applications list is (1) to see
>> how xspf is doing overall (that's where Silverjuke fits) and (2) to
>> find an app to meet a need (that's where M3UtoXSPF fits).  The second
>> case is where a more flexible and responsible method of maintenance
>> would come in handy.
>>
>> Moderation comes with wikipedia for free, I think.  It takes work, but
>> it may be before if it's not just you and me doing it.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Sebastian Pipping
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On 10/28/10 22:54, Lucas Gonze wrote:
>>>> This list has wiki nature and would be better maintained if it
>>>> were on wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Do we want that application list to be moderated?
>>> If yes, does a wiki still offer advantages?
>>>
>>>
>>>> But it is non-standard to have something like that
>>>> on wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Right, and that's a problem.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Playlist mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Playlist mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Playlist mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
>

_______________________________________________
Playlist mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: moving application list to Wikipedia?

Lucas Gonze
That forward was too trimmed to be readable.  So this is a version of
the same conversation edited to make sense.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Lucas Gonze <[hidden email]> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:XML_Shareable_Playlist_Format I wonder if the community could comment on whether it would be appropriate to move a page currently included on the xspf.org site to
> here. http://xspf.org/applications/ is a list of software implementing XSPF. This list has wiki nature and would be better maintained if it were on wikipedia. But it is non-standard to have something like that on wikipedia.
> Comments appreciated.

Dan Brickley responded:

There's a good case for it to live in *a* wiki; I'm not so sure that
Wikipedia is the right one. They don't like 'original research' there,
and periodically there are bouts of deletionist culling.

Since the XSPF lives on a lists.musicbrainz.org email list, perhaps
this content could reasonably go in the MB wiki?

Alongside http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Intelligent_Playlist_Generation
and similar I'm sure it would fit right in, and be in a sizeable
community of people who care about open data for music.

Robert Kaye said:

Not sure, it makes a lot of sense to host the playlist stuff on [the
musicbrainz] wiki -- does Xiph have a wiki?

Dan Brickley again:

I think it's essentially a single page, just a list of applications.

Tiny community wikis end up at risk from spammers. How is the MB wiki
holding up on that front?

Robert Kaye again:

Ah. I'm sure we can deal with  [a single page, just a list of applications].

>> Tiny community wikis end up at risk from spammers. How is the MB wiki
>> holding up on that front?
>
Good. Humans tend to have a bit of a problem with it. :) When a human goes
to edit the wiki we tell them the username/password in the login dialog.
You'd be surprised how many people can not read the simple dialog. :(

_______________________________________________
Playlist mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: moving application list to Wikipedia?

Lucas Gonze-2
In reply to this post by Lucas Gonze-2
That's a very useful utility.

It's bad that we're letting anything like this fall through the cracks.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Sebastian Oliva <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I made a converter from iTunes Playlists to XSLT playlists
> (http://www.sebastianoliva.com/en/2010/01/itunesxspf-2/), but it
> didn't got added to the apps page; I think that has been the case with
> several other apps that I've seen on the list, but haven't been added
> to the webpage. I think a nice alternative would be to add a submit
> form for people to add their apps and then have it moderated.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Playlist mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist
>

_______________________________________________
Playlist mailing list
[hidden email]
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/playlist